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Just 'cuz I wanted a thing with all of them in one place... dang that's a lot of characters :O_o:. The set with only the beta human kids and Alternian troll kids is here ==> [link] and the set with only the alpha human kids and Beforan troll kids is here ==> [link] just in case you wanted to see those :nod:.

Homestuck belongs to :iconandrewhussieplz:.
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epickponyie Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
u should add the dancestors!
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ToxiCake Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Makes me think of South Park. :iconpervykennyplz:
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012
Huh... I've never really watched South Park before... glad you like it though :aww:!
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ToxiCake Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:3
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OperaGhostGirl Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
so adorable! :3
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
Thank you very much :aww:!
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OperaGhostGirl Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
your welcome!
hehe mituna and gamzee are my favorites~
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
I love those guys too... I'm most proud of how Rufioh, Kurloz, and Porrim turned out (so much time spent on hair and outfits :omg:). I was amazed that Porrim's tattoos fit as well as they did... if I had done the sprite base (from nearly eight months prior) any smaller, they wouldn't have fit at all... that was sheer dumb luck on my part :-O!

As for favorite characters in general... Sollux, Karkat, and Dirk are my top three at the moment, though it really is difficult to choose =D.
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OperaGhostGirl Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
hehe, it was hard for me to choose too.
i couldnt do anything like that -_-"
but again, im only in middle school...
your awesome :D
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2012
Yeah... I guess I like Sollux and Karkat for their ability to stand up to their own personal adversity in the best way they know how :nod:. Their stories can be pretty sad or frightening here and there, but they manage... even if it isn't always gracefully ^^;. As for Dirk... I can just really relate to him. I like the way he types, and I like the decisions he makes :aww:.

Hey, middle school is the perfect time to start practicing whatever you can get your hands on, in my opinion (the earlier the better :)). I'm in college, but I swear my mental age must be 10 or something :XD:. These pixel things aren't even all that hard to do really :oops:. Once you've got the base down, it's just a matter of switching out features... which is pretty fun =P.
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OperaGhostGirl Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
i definataly agree with you on everything. and sometimes i have the brain of a 7-yearold, and sometimes an 18-yearold. XD
but i thank you for the advice
and imma try the pixel thing sometime; sounds like so much fun! :3
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WSmack Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
All the peoples.
All of them.
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Heheh, well, at least everyone who played Sburb/Sgrub... though I still need to make ones for Calliope and Caliborn :oops:!
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ToxiCake Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
das so cute >u<
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
Thank you =D!!
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ToxiCake Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're welcome! ^^
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technounicorn Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
2weet bro
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
:iconsweetbroplz: Thank you =D!!
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technounicorn Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
woop yes
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GaMzEeM4K4R4 Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
holy fuck u have no idea how long ive looked for something like this
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012
Haha, glad I could help =D!! They were seriously fun to make... I want to do ones for Caliope and Caliborn at some point too :).
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NightFang1994 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
nepeta is so cute, but i have to say i hated the first few comics of homestuck so boring, but then it got good
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Thank you very much :aww:!

Haha, that is what everyone says about it =P! I think I might be kind of a weirdo for actually liking the beginning Acts of Homestuck ^^;. I just thought it was kind of cute and bizarre, and I wasn't really expecting much more out of it than some kid wandering around his house doing strange things... which is probably what made every other amazing thing that happened afterward just that much better :XD:. I mean I had plowed my way through almost all of Problem Sleuth prior to that, so I was used to the kind of simplistic tedium that it dealt with and I was actually looking forward to more of the same... I legitimately would've been happy just watching John screw around with the alchemizing equipment (that always struck me as something that could've had a lot of logic-based puzzle-like applications if things had stayed at that level of simplicity :oops:). I also got really familiar with Act 1 due to how many people I tried to show it to over time with barely any takers, but to be quite honest, I was probably coming off as just a tad annoying :paranoid:. I still get excited over that very first panel where Rose modifies John's room to make it bigger for the totem lathe :). Now though... oh man, now I just can't even believe the beginning that all this awesome stuff came from, it's amazing =D.
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NightFang1994 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
idk i like homestuck but it really doesnt have a plot, its kinda just an anime reality comic if that makes any sense, just the everyday lives of trolls, so it kinda gets boring to me sometimes
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2012
Actually, you'd be surprised by how much it's kind of not that at all :oops:! I mean I thought that too when I began reading Act 1, and I'm one of the rare few who got through a good two Acts, possibly more, without even knowing that the trolls existed in the story at all... don't ask me how in the heck I managed that one :XD:. Anyway, what kept me interested to begin with was the fact that the everyday lives of these people are so subtly bizarre in their own right, and the whole story draws from such a strange pool of references as it is, so it seemed interesting enough to carry me a ways... but then that quickly ceased to be the point :O_o:.

Slowly, the story began to reveal it's true colors, and before I knew it I was obsessing over time paradoxes, and the relationships between events in other universes, and learning the meaning of the term circumstantial simultaneity, and a whole slew of other surprisingly intelligent and thought-provoking things that I never would've guessed at from the beginning :-O. In fact, slowly is pretty much the only way the story can go if it is to stay coherent and it's actually constructed in a really amazing way. For as much as the characters screw around with time, space, genetics, and the mechanisms of the world they live in and the universes that they end up traversing, the way that the events are presented to the reader kind of counters that in order to make sense of it all :nod:. I mean just look at this timeline ==> [link] :omg:! I never thought I'd actually be able to know the meaning of something that complicated as well as I do now... it's pretty satisfying =D.

The characters are also filled with a lot more significance than they originally let on :lol:. Each character has a lot of background information and trivia that allows readers to engage with the story on a deeper level if they really want to dig that far, but at the same time the story remains perfectly understandable, even without that knowledge, for the sake of people who would rather take it all at face value :shrug:. The thing about this trivia is that the trivial things often become pivotal or essential pieces of the puzzle.

For example, a lot of the trolls' names come from Greek, Roman, or Sanskrit words or mythical figures that have something to do with their sign, and sometimes the meaning behind their names can give their story an extra level of contextualization, or allow the readers to make some strong predictions about how their portion of the plot could develop :oops:. One of my favorites is Sollux Captor, the gemini troll, whose name comes from Castor and Pollux, the twins of myth who originally represented the gemini sign... and the story of Castor and Pollux provides both foreshadowing earlier in his story, and significance after the foreshadowed events have occurred :O_o:. There are also small things like the reoccurring number 413, which represents the start date of the entire comic, April 13th. The fact that there are 4 suits in a deck of cards with 13 cards in each suit becomes relevant later in the story, and the story does focus on a group of 4 kids who are each 13 years old... among other things :).

These are from my favorite source of Homestuck plot theories (for there are many, many sources) ==> [link] [link] and if you take a glance at the rest of the blog... it's kind of amazing how much analysis has been done with this stuff :aww:! The story has subtly referenced everything from lesser known Shakespearean works, to classic poetry, and even more recently stuff like Alice and Wonderland, and who even knows what all else I'm forgetting about... sorry, I'm being a HUGE nerd right now :noes:!!

I just realized how long this got... sorry :worry:! I just think that a lot of Homestuck's deeper and more interesting points get buried under all the dumb stuff that the majority of fans seem to fixate on... which isn't to say that I don't enjoy that stuff too, but the parts that really excited me were the ones where ulterior motives were revealed, or deep significance became apparent, or a character would go from dead or hopeless to alive and triumphant with a single update... that's the stuff I read for ^^;!
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NightFang1994 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
meh i prefer true artistic comics, but homestuck is just a fun little thing to read here and there, I prefer true writing skills though so I read real creepy pasta, other comics, and some web comics too
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
No but... I mean Homestuck is one of the most well constructed stories I've ever seen, whether we're talking books, comics, movies, TV shows... There's so much going on at once that juggling all the different elements of the plot sounds like a major undertaking in and of itself from an author's standpoint :oops:. Besides that, it covers almost every major genre. There's comedy, action, romance, drama, horror, fantasy, science fiction and all of it meshes well with everything else and fits seamlessly into the flow of the story. If those aren't true writing skills, I don't know what would qualify :O_o:. I mean any story that deals effectively in time travel has to have good writing as a matter of necessity, (otherwise the "effectively" part wouldn't apply), and even more so with a story that deals with as much time travel as Homestuck does.

Man, I just wanna say real quick that I really really don't want to be coming off as "one of those fans" y'know :worry:? I really love this story for a lot of reasons that I know are not immediately apparent, and some people never get to see those reasons at all before they give up on it. At the same time, I've seen Homestuck fans get terrifyingly defensive when someone tries to say that it's not their thing because they instantly assume that the person is one of those readers that just skipped to Act 5 'cuz they heard about the trolls and then decided that they hated the story 'cuz it was confusing :roll:. I mean some people have been known to do that, and of course they'd be confused 'cuz they skipped huge chunks of the plot, but even if that was the case, it's not like that's even a federal issue or anything. So I guess what I'm saying here is that if I'm sending huge long responses like this, it's not 'cuz I'm freaking out on you here... I'm just a sucker for Homestuck plot discussions in general, and even when I'm talking about absolutely nothing I'll send people walls of text anyway ^^;. I'm just an extremely chatty typist :facepalm:.

Anyway, I also think that the trolls are a really well constructed alien race, as fictional alien races go, simply because they aren't entirely different from human people :hmm:. They have their odd societal constructs and weird terminology, but when you get right down to it, they are based closely on humans in order to reflect certain aspects of our own culture, and it makes the characters very relatable (which is something that the trolls can probably attribute their overall popularity to, at least in some part). Furthermore, what they take from human society falls within the realm of self referential humor as if to say "who are we to assume that we know what extra terrestrials would be like anyway?", which is something that Homestuck does with a lot of things :XD:. This story is brilliant about calling into question things that we would normally take for granted. The characters don't always do what the narrator says they'll do, even going so far as to question the intelligence of the narrative... which, as far as I can tell, exists for them as a sort of internal monologue whenever they perceive it at all, so they're essentially having an internal debate at the same time :-O.

The story also acknowledges the fact that it exists on the internet and utilizes that as a tool to further relate to the audience through that same kind of self referencing. In fact, the medium that Homestuck exists through is unique in and of itself :nod:. It was originally intended to be a throwback to old text-based adventure games, but it also integrates GIFs for a sense of visual interest that transcends static imagery, and it utilizes the chatlogs as a way of eliminating the need for speech bubbles, which is good 'cuz I imagine speech bubbles would be really visually unappealing with Homestuck's art style :paranoid:. The chatlogs also bring it closer to being a literary work than most comics get because all of the dialog is presented in page form and isn't broken up into the tiny segments that are required for the effective use of word balloons. This isn't to devalue comics that do utilize word balloons, and I think part of the art form that is traditional comic book writing is in the selection of dialog that fits comfortably in the given space and conveys all the necessary information at the same time. It strikes me as being somewhat akin to the kind of lexical limitation that goes into writing a haiku, albeit with significantly less actual rules :shrug:.

Even so, Homestuck's format is an interesting way of bypassing that limitation so that Andrew Hussie can literally do whatever he wants as both a writer and an artist at the same time. It's almost like reading lines out of a script for a stage play (with the obvious omission of such things as stage directions and the like). On top of that, I've never encountered anything before (web comic or otherwise) that I could not only read but watch, play, and listen to :omg:. I mean you have to admit, it is pretty impressive that Homestuck has accumulated several soundtracks worth of musical accompaniment for it's animated updates. It's legitimately good music too :)! I mean Homestuck's entire format is an artistic experiment... the entire Homestuck universe is a creative playground from the perspective of an author and an artist, and it provides creative outlets for music and animation... it's pretty much gonna use every tool in the box, and the usage of each tool has so far proven to be complementary to the story =D.

I personally think that the world of Homestuck is actually really visually interesting, and there is a lot of inspiration to be gained from the concepts it presents. Besides, if Homestuck isn't a display of "true writing skills" 'cuz it references things, then that discounts almost all other works of fiction in every category :oops:. I always thought that making reference to things is kind of like literary shorthand wherein the author is able to allude to a complex concept without having to explain it from scratch. They can just steer the reader toward the preexisting point of reference and move on to the part where they use the concept to build the original work that they are creating. Essentially, references are used so that preexisting information doesn't have to be rehashed, and instead the complex concepts can be used as pieces in an even greater idea that is the current author's own design :nod:. It's basically how all culture has grown throughout history, because a complex concept made of complex concepts can also be used as a piece of an even bigger whole, and so on and so forth. Using one's predecessors as a source of inspiration actually makes for deeper material, and in that sense, Homestuck is incredibly deep.

Out of curiosity, how far have you gotten in Homestuck :O_o:? I can't believe I neglected to ask this 'til now... 'cuz that does have a lot of bearing on how the story comes across. The thing evolves as you read it and has become something else entirely several times over by the time you get to the Cascade update at the end of Act 5 :-O. It's such a gradual change though... like there's really no solid point that can be identified as "the part where it got cool" 'cuz that's always gonna be different for each person ^^;. I do think it's kind of funny though, when people say that Homestuck is boring and simplistic, because for as many people as there are saying that, there are probably twice as many who got further in and gave up because it presented too much of a challenge. This video from the PBS idea channel on youtube exemplifies it perfectly ([link]) by comparing it to Ulysses, which is an interesting way to think of it :hmm:.

Uh... yeah... I think I'll stop now 'cuz this is kind of ridiculous of me :roll:. I'm sorry, I type too much, and I really do hope that this isn't a bother to have in your inbox :worry:!
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NightFang1994 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
yeah but i think other comics and animes and movies that concentrate on actual plots do it waaaaay better, homestuck is just a fun little comic series with well developed characters, but there are other things that are better, quite a few
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
Okay, so I don't seem to be getting anywhere with my own definition of an "actual plot"... what's yours :confused:? I mean good characters, a strong, coherent sequence of events that loops around a lot and still makes sense, and is structurally sound with no real plot holes to speak of, lots of intelligent references, the use of just about every genre and medium you could ever conceive of... what more do you want out of a story :shrug:? I mean I'm kind of wondering which things you're comparing this to and if I've heard of them before. Honestly though, a lot of plots consist of people's lives and that alone, but believe me when I say that Homestuck is not that at all :no:. Not by a long shot. If you don't mind non-specific spoilers... where the story is now, our entire universe has been obliterated, and the remaining characters still maintain the hope that, through mechanisms ingrained in the plot that has built up over the course of their entire lives, they might still have a chance at finding an appropriate place to reside safely and comfortably for the rest of their lives... possibly through the restoration of the universe that they left behind (I haven't stopped worrying about these characters since... jeez, I dunno when :hmm:). I mean their day to day lives are spent trying to maintain that state of being alive by way of time travel, magic, science, and a whole bunch of other temporal loop holes... there's real danger, and they're basically fighting a war against existence itself. It's a far cry from what you seem to be chalking all this up to :paranoid:.

I am still curious, what point have you read up to in Homestuck :oops:? I mean if you haven't made it to the end of Act 5 part 1, then you don't really know what Homestuck even is yet 'cuz that's when the first little game changing plot bomb gets dropped and blows all of your expectations about this comic to bits ^^;. Even the art style switches up a ton the farther you go, so everything gets really epic! Then by the time you get to the end of Act 5 part 2... well that's when I was really hit by how far ahead everything was planned, and how even the stuff that seemed like it was meaningless became important in some really unexpected ways :-O. I'm serious though... if all you're going by is the kids' introductions (which admittedly span, like, the first three acts) then you really have no idea what you're missing :O_o:.
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starflyer425 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
may i use this as A shipping wall :P (:iconotpplz:)
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Haha, knock yourself out =P! I mean... just please link back to the original when you do, but it's fine with me :nod:. I just wish I had more characters to offer (these take so dang long to make :XD:).
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starflyer425 Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
thankies, i usually dont upload stuff w/o crediting, but its still nice to ask :P
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012
You're quite welcome, and yeah, I figured that'd be standard procedure... usually the good folks who ask first aren't the ones you have to worry about with that sort of thing anyway :XD:.
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Theghastlygastly Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
not everybody. there's no dad. or the post-scratch ancestors.
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Well, yeah, but these are all the official players of the game... the ones with dream selves, and prototypings, and all that stuff :oops:. I figured I should probably draw the line somewhere :shrug:. In theory I could make another set of this exact same size with the kids as their guardian counterparts and the trolls as their ancestor counterparts, but we don't even know what the original twelve trolls looked like as adults on Beforus (though I would like to learn about that within the context of the story at some point :)). I figure it's a bit early to be actively wishing for that though... one thing at a time ^^;. I mean I could also go ahead and do the Felt, and the Midnight crew, and the Exiles in all of their various iterations too, but I'm probably gonna make that a different project altogether :aww:.
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Theghastlygastly Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
I can't wait for the new two trolls that cost 10,000 dollars to show up and die in the same panel~
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Oh same here :lol:! I read somewhere that they'll end up being fantrolls of Caliope's, and because she's the Muse of Space, she'll be able to have them physically manifest themselves in the dream bubbles :oops:. I dunno if that's just someone's speculation or if it's a confirmed thing, but I think that'd be an awesome way to work 'em in there =D.
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Theghastlygastly Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012
Wow. That's really cool. I hope Hussie doesn't just make them background characters that instantly die. Then again, he did spend all the game money on a ring for Vriska.
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012
Yeah, it was also speculated that we've already seen them and that they were those two random grubs that were just lying around in the second installment of the "meet the ancestors" game thingy... which would be funny, but also kind of disappointing if it were true (I honestly think they haven't been introduced yet, but we'll see :hmm:). I loved the part with the ring though :XD:!
"You got this from Cronus didn't you?"
"Yep."
"Ew."
"NO REFUNDS!!"
Best thing ever... technically he's still got whatever he raked in with the paypal exclusive thing though :oops:. I can't wait to see this game, it's gonna be wonderful, I can feel it =D.
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Theghastlygastly Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012
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EVNator518 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Aren't the troll's irises still gray? I don't think they've reached that age where they change to their blood color.
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Yeah, I guess I was just hoping to throw more of their blood color into each character design... I was going more for visual consistency than canonical consistency ^^;. For example, I don't think Aradia was ever alive and well while Tavros had his robot legs either, but I didn't want Aradia to be the odd one out in that respect :oops:. I mean I could easily go in and do a version where they all have gray irises, but I guess that just seems less interesting to me :shrug:.
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EVNator518 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Alrighty then.
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daikaijumaster Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
"This is madness!" To which I would reply, "No. THIS IS HOMESTUCK!!!"
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
...but of course, what else has this many interconnected characters :-O? I mean this isn't even counting all the alternate versions of each character, whether we're talking self-prototyped sprites, dream selves, pre/post scratch selves, or what have you :shrug:. All that plus consorts, exiles, the Felt, the Midnight Crew, and now Cherubs... I mean I kind of want to do all of those as well, but for now I think I'm gonna give myself a break from obsessing over the placement of individual pixels :paranoid:.
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daikaijumaster Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012
I can't believe this just occurred to me: ALL OF THEM!::::)
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