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alpha kids and ancestor trolls by manga-kat alpha kids and ancestor trolls by manga-kat
I was waiting eagerly for the last of the Beforan troll kids to appear just because I wanted to finish this thing and now I have and I'm so happy =D. The first set with all the beta kids is here ==> [link] just for comparison :).

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dadu79 Featured By Owner May 30, 2013
nice! ouob that keeps me thinking, if the beta kids had the beta trolls. Then the alpha kids had the alpha/ancestor/dancestor trolls? >:?
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013
Hey, thanks :)! I don't think the relationship between the Beta kids and their trolls is quite the same as the alpha kids and how they relate to trolls in general. I mostly grouped the Alpha kids with the new trolls 'cuz the number of characters and timing of their introduction fit nicely ;P. Before I continue rambling, I'm not sure if you're 100% caught up with the comic yet... so here's my spoiler warning just in case ^^;. Okay so we learned early on that the original twelve trolls made the human Beta universe as a byproduct of their Sgrub session, right? Well seeing as how the human Alpha universe is just a scratched version of the Beta one, the new trolls can't relate to them or their universe as "creators" unless you're looking way back. Technically it goes Beforus>(scratch)>Alternia>(create)>Beta>(scratch)>Alpha so Beforus was the starting point and everything that happened after that was because of their session. Even so, the only troll the Alpha kids were even familiar with until the start of their session was the Condesce, who was actually from Alternia. Jake, Dirk, and Roxy ended up in the dream bubbles and met some trolls there... but that was brief, Roxy was drunk and asleep, Dirk was invisible and probably a figment of Jake's imagination, and Jake made kind of a weird first impression. I do hope that all of the human and troll characters will get to intermingle pretty soon here, but as of now the Beta kids have had far more contact with both the original trolls and the new ones in comparison to the Alpha kids. By the time the Alpha kids meet any of them it'll probably be the Beta kids doing the introductions :shrug:.
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dadu79 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013
i see XD i gotta say, kankri was my favourite dancestor troll above all of them. I mean think of it, we all are kankri in one point because we want to talk about a topic we like to other people but they wouldn't give a hoot to listen up. so in my AU headcanon i made this little baby right here :la: [link]
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Witch-of-Hearts Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
awesome bro
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012
:icondirkapprovesplz: Thank you very much!
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Theghastlygastly Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012
*dancestors
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manga-kat Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012
Ah, that term :oops:! I was wondering about it... I mean it's a combination of "descendants" and "ancestors" right? But to me it's just confusing 'cuz I don't know who all that even refers to :confused:. Like if you take Kankri and Karkat as an example, Kankri is Karkat's ancestor if you're referring to Kankri's Alternian counterpart (the Sufferer), but he's also Karkat's descendant if you're talking about the Beforian version of Karkat :hmm:. Likewise, Karkat is both Kankri's ancestor on Beforus and his descendant on Alternia... so I guess to me the term doesn't narrow anything down since technically "dancestors" could refer to both Karkat's group and Kankri's group since all 24 of them could be counted as both a descendant and an ancestor at the same time :O_o:. That could even apply to all 8 of the human kids... if the adults had been called ancestors instead of guardians (alpha and beta are convenient labels :aww:). Still, that's not even getting into the genetic aspect of it... which is good 'cuz I could write an essay on that in no time :roll:.

Sorry for going on and on about this, it's just something that has had me confused and this seems like a good opportunity to get my vocabulary sorted out =P! I had actually taken to calling this new group of trolls "kid ancestors" 'cuz they were first presented in the context of the story as the ancestors of Karkat's group, so that's how I had gotten used to thinking of them ^^;. Or I guess it could be separated out as Beforian kids/ancestors and Alternian kids/ancestors as well... but now I'm just rambling, sorry, I'll stop now :XD:!
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